Savage 110 Expanded Line
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"...available in left hand configurations."
I don't have enough money to buy enough Savage rifles to keep that a big feature in their catalog, but their support of lefties despite being a relative minority in the population is a big part of why I like and support Savage.
The slow changeover towards AICS magazines is a huge bonus across the board. Plastic ones have to be cheaper than the metal and plastic, I mean on BF/Xmas sales I got the Amend2 5-round AICS for less than $10/ea. With a manufacturer contract I can't imagine them still being more expensive than the internal magazines they have been using that would retail for $50-70.
I don't have enough money to buy enough Savage rifles to keep that a big feature in their catalog, but their support of lefties despite being a relative minority in the population is a big part of why I like and support Savage.
The slow changeover towards AICS magazines is a huge bonus across the board. Plastic ones have to be cheaper than the metal and plastic, I mean on BF/Xmas sales I got the Amend2 5-round AICS for less than $10/ea. With a manufacturer contract I can't imagine them still being more expensive than the internal magazines they have been using that would retail for $50-70.
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Well, they aren’t really a minority. The Savage 110 is the longest continuously produced rifle in North America. It truly is America’s Rifle!
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Based on my count, I agree that they probably are. I have 7 of them. Next two manufacturers, Ruger and CZ, have quantity 2. All others are quantity 1. Once I bought my first Savage 110 in 2008, I never bought another manufacturer's rifle.
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Besides AR-15’s, Pistols & AKs, (all of which I custom build myself), Savage 110s are the ONLY high power rifles I’ve ever owned! Got my first in the 1990’s, when I turned 18, and immediately fell in love! Owned several more through the years.
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Wow! When did Savage go greedy? It would be a cold day in hell before I'd pay $1k+ for a Savage rifle. Savage has always been an entry level / working mans rifle. Yes, they have always shot good, but they have always lacked the smoothness that you get in guns that command higher prices.
Im impressed with the smoothness of my Bergara.
Prices are up on all products these days.
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These are the msrp's, street prices should be a lot lower. For example the carbon barrel one has an msrp close to the same as the 110 ultralite (carbon barrel) that has been out for several years and can be found for 1200-1500 new. These new stocks look much better with the vertical grip and integrated arca.
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I understand the reaction to the higher prices.
But I believe that the new Savage pricing is not only impacted by the increased cost of materials.
The new stocks being offered by Savage are much improved, and therefore going to be more expensive to procure. I doubt Savage is actually building their newer stocks in house, and it is clear that they are not producing the MDT chassis that they are offering on their precision models.
Therefore, I suspect that most of the cost increase in the newer Savage chassis that cost well over $1,000. I think two offerings use Oryx chassis and are at least $500 cheaper than most of the other MDT chassis.
You can buy still cheaper versions, but most of the cost increases are due to much better stocks being offered today.
My cheapest Savages, both Model 12 FVs, both with 26-inch barrels, cost just under $320 each. Both were bought in 2018.
My 12 FVs, a Cabela's special order, had the same cheap, twisty hidden mag stock that came on my .308 10 FP that I bought in 2008 for about $650.
I added a $425 Oryx chassis to each, because their hidden mag, factory stocks didn't have an aluminum stiffener and I could feel the stocks twist on recoil. Total cost, after adding the Oryx to each, was under $750 but it produced a much more accurate rifle.
With the factory stock the .223 averaged 0.342. Most shooters might have been happy with its 0.342 average.
With the Oryx chassis, the .223 12 FV shot 9,030 rounds with the factory barrel and in its last 4 months shot a 5-round group average of 0.257 for 108 groups. That is an outstanding return on investment.
The Oryx chassis improved its 5-round group accuracy by about 0.085, but that was my choice.
With a new Shilen Select Match 416R barrel ($405 with a new SS barrel nut) now has averaged 0.217 for 583 5-round groups.
To me, who is anal about accuracy, that additional $405 was worth the expense.
I added recently added a MDT LSS XL chassis for $500, mostly for looks, but also because I needed its old Oryx chassis that had a slot to operate the bottom bolt release to use on another Savage rifle that had a bottom bolt release. That was my choice even though it added about $75 to the cost. The new LSS chassis really hasn't improved the accuracy by any statistically significant amount.
The 6.5mm CM 12 FV averaged 0.365 for 198 5-round with the factory stock.
With the Oryx chassis, it shot 4,800 rounds with the factory barrel and its last 3 months averaged 0.303 for 42 5-round groups.
The Oryx chassis improved the 6.5mm CM's 5 round group accuracy by about 0.062 but that was my choice.
With a new Shilen Select Match 416R barrel ($405 with a new SS barrel nut) now has averaged 0.257 for 105 groups.
Again, I think that improvement was worth the added expense.
I added recently added a MDT ACC Premier chassis for $1,050, mostly for looks and I again needed old Oryx chassis with a slot to operate the bottom bolt release on another Savage rifle with a bottom bolt release. Again, that was my choice. The new chassis really hasn't improved the accuracy by any statistically significant amount. I just like the look but I could have just bought a newer Oryx without the slot for the bottom bolt release.
But I believe that the new Savage pricing is not only impacted by the increased cost of materials.
The new stocks being offered by Savage are much improved, and therefore going to be more expensive to procure. I doubt Savage is actually building their newer stocks in house, and it is clear that they are not producing the MDT chassis that they are offering on their precision models.
Therefore, I suspect that most of the cost increase in the newer Savage chassis that cost well over $1,000. I think two offerings use Oryx chassis and are at least $500 cheaper than most of the other MDT chassis.
You can buy still cheaper versions, but most of the cost increases are due to much better stocks being offered today.
My cheapest Savages, both Model 12 FVs, both with 26-inch barrels, cost just under $320 each. Both were bought in 2018.
My 12 FVs, a Cabela's special order, had the same cheap, twisty hidden mag stock that came on my .308 10 FP that I bought in 2008 for about $650.
I added a $425 Oryx chassis to each, because their hidden mag, factory stocks didn't have an aluminum stiffener and I could feel the stocks twist on recoil. Total cost, after adding the Oryx to each, was under $750 but it produced a much more accurate rifle.
With the factory stock the .223 averaged 0.342. Most shooters might have been happy with its 0.342 average.
With the Oryx chassis, the .223 12 FV shot 9,030 rounds with the factory barrel and in its last 4 months shot a 5-round group average of 0.257 for 108 groups. That is an outstanding return on investment.
The Oryx chassis improved its 5-round group accuracy by about 0.085, but that was my choice.
With a new Shilen Select Match 416R barrel ($405 with a new SS barrel nut) now has averaged 0.217 for 583 5-round groups.
To me, who is anal about accuracy, that additional $405 was worth the expense.
I added recently added a MDT LSS XL chassis for $500, mostly for looks, but also because I needed its old Oryx chassis that had a slot to operate the bottom bolt release to use on another Savage rifle that had a bottom bolt release. That was my choice even though it added about $75 to the cost. The new LSS chassis really hasn't improved the accuracy by any statistically significant amount.
The 6.5mm CM 12 FV averaged 0.365 for 198 5-round with the factory stock.
With the Oryx chassis, it shot 4,800 rounds with the factory barrel and its last 3 months averaged 0.303 for 42 5-round groups.
The Oryx chassis improved the 6.5mm CM's 5 round group accuracy by about 0.062 but that was my choice.
With a new Shilen Select Match 416R barrel ($405 with a new SS barrel nut) now has averaged 0.257 for 105 groups.
Again, I think that improvement was worth the added expense.
I added recently added a MDT ACC Premier chassis for $1,050, mostly for looks and I again needed old Oryx chassis with a slot to operate the bottom bolt release on another Savage rifle with a bottom bolt release. Again, that was my choice. The new chassis really hasn't improved the accuracy by any statistically significant amount. I just like the look but I could have just bought a newer Oryx without the slot for the bottom bolt release.
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That’s all they are primarily, with Chassis. Changing from stock to chassis isn’t going to improve accuracy. Unless there is already an accuracy issue due to barrel harmonics, stock creep, etc. However, a chassis will provide for the best possible consistency. And accuracy is a simply byproduct of consistency. Aside from that, it’s about making it yours.
I’ve explained before that humans are visual creatures. We judge things & choose many products based on aesthetics. Our hair, our cloths, shoes cars, houses, and on & on & on. Firearms are no different. Yes, of course we care about accuracy. (That’s the whole enchilada after all). But anyone who claims not to care about looks, I call being disingenuous.
But back to the thread topic, I just think Savage should stay in their lane, so to speak. I will never purchase a Savage already in a Chassis. They don’t know what I want. I know how I like them. However, I applaud Savage for going in the direction of the 110 Trail Hunter! Going to the hooded Action and using a basic stock to keep the price down is what Savage is about.
I’ve explained before that humans are visual creatures. We judge things & choose many products based on aesthetics. Our hair, our cloths, shoes cars, houses, and on & on & on. Firearms are no different. Yes, of course we care about accuracy. (That’s the whole enchilada after all). But anyone who claims not to care about looks, I call being disingenuous.
But back to the thread topic, I just think Savage should stay in their lane, so to speak. I will never purchase a Savage already in a Chassis. They don’t know what I want. I know how I like them. However, I applaud Savage for going in the direction of the 110 Trail Hunter! Going to the hooded Action and using a basic stock to keep the price down is what Savage is about.
My 110 varmint has the accu stock. I love it.
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Just picked up my new model 110 Core Predator and wanted to drop some feedback. The new stock is is a huge improvement, feels thicker material wise and is very rigid through the entire stock even the fore end, more rigid than my buddies Grayboe. The action has definitely been improved as far as bolt lift and overall smoothness and this rifle loads and ejects rounds flawlessly with the AICS magazine provided.. Will post a range report with accuracy next week. Savage listened to us 110 guys, this is a well made piece. PS This rifle is a .308
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Sounds like Savage is on the right track. I have had a few bargains that needed an improved stock from the outset.
People are complaining about higher prices, but if the new stocks are an improvement, it would save having to replace them.
Good feedback.
People are complaining about higher prices, but if the new stocks are an improvement, it would save having to replace them.
Good feedback.
FWIW, I got my ODG Magpul Hunter stock on a "Black Friday/Christmas" sale for ~$100 (before ship/tax) and gained the AICS magwell over the Savage proprietary mags, but not a whole lot else. I can only imagine the frustration Magpul might feel in trying to offer something aftermarket that Savage is now doing from the factory, especially as these new stocks don't seem to be made by Magpul in the first place.
As to price, I watched a video recently about whether hand loading was still cost effective compared to factory loads, especially with 1lb of powder being anywhere from $45-100, and the hosts adjusted that for inflation based on some historical prices, and found the relative value was actually better today. The problem is that inflation hasn't been accounted for elsewhere in our economy, and so relative to what people are earning, prices are definitely going up across the board.
I wonder how long till the Axis becomes the "mid range" and they find yet another "cheaper" design to introduce as their entry level offering.
As to price, I watched a video recently about whether hand loading was still cost effective compared to factory loads, especially with 1lb of powder being anywhere from $45-100, and the hosts adjusted that for inflation based on some historical prices, and found the relative value was actually better today. The problem is that inflation hasn't been accounted for elsewhere in our economy, and so relative to what people are earning, prices are definitely going up across the board.
I wonder how long till the Axis becomes the "mid range" and they find yet another "cheaper" design to introduce as their entry level offering.
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FWIW, I got my ODG Magpul Hunter stock on a "Black Friday/Christmas" sale for ~$100 (before ship/tax) and gained the AICS magwell over the Savage proprietary mags, but not a whole lot else. I can only imagine the frustration Magpul might feel in trying to offer something aftermarket that Savage is now doing from the factory, especially as these new stocks don't seem to be made by Magpul in the first place.
As to price, I watched a video recently about whether hand loading was still cost effective compared to factory loads, especially with 1lb of powder being anywhere from $45-100, and the hosts adjusted that for inflation based on some historical prices, and found the relative value was actually better today. The problem is that inflation hasn't been accounted for elsewhere in our economy, and so relative to what people are earning, prices are definitely going up across the board.
I wonder how long till the Axis becomes the "mid range" and they find yet another "cheaper" design to introduce as their entry level offering.
Magpul isn’t frustrated. Not in the slightest. They have a partnership with Savage for Magpul stocks being offered from the factory. This is exactly the thing product suppliers look for. It’s dream for them! And yes, the stocks are made by Magpul. And Savage pays Magpul quite a bit of money. It’s the same thing as MDT supplying their Chassis for the Savage Precision & Elite rifles. And also the most expensive Savage rifle ever, the 110 Ultralight Elite, with the MDT HNT-26 Chassis & MSRP of $3,600!
Also, they kinda already have what you’re alluding to. The Turkish made Model 334 Savage sells. Basic, cheap action in either a cheap polymer or basic Walnut stock for under $500. Available in all the oldies but goodie cartridges: 308, 243, 270 Win, 30-06, etc.
CoalCracker, I also own a 110 Varmint in 223. Have you had any issues with the action to stock screws loosening? What is your torque sequence?
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I only had one of my 7 Savage 110s that ever had an action screw loosen when torqued to factory specs.
If I remember correctly, Savage recommends tightening the screws slightly back to front in increments and tightening the rear screw to spec before the front screw to 35 inch lbs. Then tighten the front screw to the same spec.
My one particular screw issue may have been caused by a variation in the molded stock that kept the screw from tightening enough.
My solution was to tighten that one screw just a bit tighter than spec. That seemed to solve the problem.
All of my other Savage 110 factory stocks were most accurate with the action screws torqued to the factory recommendation.
The 12 LRP with the HS Precision stock, if I remember correctly, might have had a slightly different torque spec.
I once experimented and increased the torque on the factory stocks by 10 inch lbs. but that only decreased accuracy.
The factory stocks on 6 of my Savages, except for the 12 LRP 6.5mm CM with the HS Precision stock, have since been moved to MDT chassis - 4 Oryx, 1 LSS XL and 1 ACC Premier.
I have long arms and needed the extra stock length that using 4 extension pieces on the MDT chassis provide.
If I remember correctly, Savage recommends tightening the screws slightly back to front in increments and tightening the rear screw to spec before the front screw to 35 inch lbs. Then tighten the front screw to the same spec.
My one particular screw issue may have been caused by a variation in the molded stock that kept the screw from tightening enough.
My solution was to tighten that one screw just a bit tighter than spec. That seemed to solve the problem.
All of my other Savage 110 factory stocks were most accurate with the action screws torqued to the factory recommendation.
The 12 LRP with the HS Precision stock, if I remember correctly, might have had a slightly different torque spec.
I once experimented and increased the torque on the factory stocks by 10 inch lbs. but that only decreased accuracy.
The factory stocks on 6 of my Savages, except for the 12 LRP 6.5mm CM with the HS Precision stock, have since been moved to MDT chassis - 4 Oryx, 1 LSS XL and 1 ACC Premier.
I have long arms and needed the extra stock length that using 4 extension pieces on the MDT chassis provide.
Good question. I just checked mine. It's tight. I go back and forth as im tightening the bolts. If yours continues to get loose. A drop of blue loc-tite will help.
Thanks guys, I did apply a little purple thread locker, so far so good.
My accustock is a different beast. Very small area of reciever to alluminum contact at screw points, instead, tightenig the screws sucks the reciever down onto the upper lip of top edge of the alluminum.....so you end with maybe 3-4"s of receiver with solid contact to alluminum rim. Hope I explained that ok, anyway, will try it for awhile, then, if need be, I'l try a Bell and Carlson
My accustock is a different beast. Very small area of reciever to alluminum contact at screw points, instead, tightenig the screws sucks the reciever down onto the upper lip of top edge of the alluminum.....so you end with maybe 3-4"s of receiver with solid contact to alluminum rim. Hope I explained that ok, anyway, will try it for awhile, then, if need be, I'l try a Bell and Carlson
I love the accustock. And the stock on my Begara B14 HMR. It has a integrated mini-chassis molded into the stock
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There are all sorts of tightening/torquing procedures that shooters have followed with 110’s. One of the noted was torquing the REAR screw a bit less that the front. People who do this will typically torque the front at maybe 30-40in.lbs & the rear between 10-25. It’s called “tuning” with Action Screw torque. I’ve read some with rear action screw torque as low as just 5in.lbs.!
It’s not for me. The problem is, all this playing with Torque Specs is due to Stock Creep.; being the movement, swelling, shifting & settling of wood & polymer stocks. I like my Aluminum Chassis. Torque front & rear Action screws to 65in.lbs. and FUHGEDDABOUDIT! I tune with reloading.
For those who like Hardwood, or Glass stocks, I recommend Aluminum Pillar, and epoxy bedding. Doing this all but eliminates stock Creep.
It’s not for me. The problem is, all this playing with Torque Specs is due to Stock Creep.; being the movement, swelling, shifting & settling of wood & polymer stocks. I like my Aluminum Chassis. Torque front & rear Action screws to 65in.lbs. and FUHGEDDABOUDIT! I tune with reloading.
For those who like Hardwood, or Glass stocks, I recommend Aluminum Pillar, and epoxy bedding. Doing this all but eliminates stock Creep.
I seal my wood stocks with polyurethane. It helps keep moisture out. Thus less swelling.
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Rear should DEFINITELY be lower than the front! I do know that has been favored by those who use the Torque Tuning method. Good luck my friend
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That’s a great idea! Good tip
I bet that, as well as Pillar Bedding would be beneficial.
Also, this relates to older & aftermarket Stocks only. Factory Savage Accustock, already comes with a full Aluminum Bedding Block. Essentially making it a Hybrid Chassis/Stock The WOOX Hybrid stocks follow this same style, for those they may appeal to.
https://wooxstore.com/collections/chassis-precision-stock
However, for the price, adjustability & looks of the Boyds At-One stock, with a custom Pillar & Epoxy bedding, dollar for dollar, it’s about impossible to beat! Again, for those prefer wood stocks.
Just to clarify something, some Savages have, like mine, 3 screws; 2 being action screws and the 3rd simply for back side of trigger guard, which is a very lite tightening. I believe others have 3 action screws...so when its recommended that the "back" screw is much lighter, does that refer to the back of the trigger guard screw or the action screw just in front of the trigger guard?
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Yes, we are just speaking of mag well Savage Actions. Yours is a single shot target model, with the 3-screws. They have no open bottom for magwell, making them single shot. They are the most ridgid models & considered capable of highest precision.
