Documenting my All-time Best 5-round Group with a 0.223 Savage at 100 yards

CFJunkie

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Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but it shows how a Savage action is capable of performing.

Rifle: Savage 12 FV .223 with an Oryx stock and Shilen Select Match 1:7 twist 416R SS 26.125-inch barrel
Scope: Leupold 45X Competition
Front & Rear Rests: Sinclair Gen 3 F-class Bipod with a Large Protektor rear bag with 1-inch hard base
Bullet: 80 gr Hornady ELD-M #22831
Powder: Varget 22.2 gr
Seating Depth: 2.512
Muzzle Velocity: 2667 fps
Chamber Pressure: 46,453 psi
Optimum Bullet Time: 1.305 msec.

I had shot 2 sighters to check my scope and then settled down to get set up for the first load of the morning. I was aiming at the bottom tip of the vertical line shown in the picture.

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The diamond is 1 inch on the vertical from tip to tip. The sides are 0.7 inches long and the horizontal and vertical lines are 0.050 inches. The horizontal line is 2.125 inches long. I print 12 targets on an 8 ½ by 11-inch, 80 lb. paper.
The bullet hole is the first 80 gr bullet sighter. This should give you an idea of what a one hole looks like at 100 yards. This is before I adjusted the scope reticle to hit closer to my aim point, but not exactly on my aim point because a bullet hole is about 4.5X the size of where I would be aiming and would destroy any chance of me aiming precisely. I adjusted the scope for this particular load to get the POI nearer the POA and shot another sighter to verify the new POI and then changed to another target image.

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The crosshairs on the picture above show where I was aiming and the approximate size of the image I had through the scope when I started to shoot the first round of the group. This is what I was seeing through my 45X scope at 100 yards.

The following is the scan of the image of the target and the resultant measurement of the 5-shot group.

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The first shot was at the darkest part of the bullet hole and just touching the edge of the vertical line.
The second shot was pretty much in the same hole. At 100 yards, it looked like there was still only one hole. (This picture is enlarged over 200 times.)

At first, I thought I might have missed the aim point entirely because there was only one hole visible. But there were no other holes on the paper other than the 2 sighters on a different target and I felt that the 2nd shot was a ‘good one’.
I shot a third shot and it also looked like it was also in the same hole. I shot a fourth shot and the hole didn’t look any bigger.
Through the 45X scope at 100 yards, they still looked like they were all in the same hole. (Actually, the first four shots later measured 0.008 from center to center. No way I could see that difference at 100 yards even with a 45X scope.)

I realized that this was a really rare circumstance for me, but I also knew that I had already shot 6 rounds, including the two sighters while adjusting the scope reticle, and was ready to shoot the 7th shot. I knew this barrel had a tendency, when hot, to drop bullets slightly, so I was concerned about what to do. Since I was on a roll, and my concentration seemed excellent, I went ahead and took the next shot, anyway.

The fifth bullet is the furthest to the left, possibly because I must have moved slightly while I was deciding on taking the last shot. It was the major contributor to the 0.021 center-to-center measurement.
I could see that the bullet hole was just slightly larger, even at 100 yards with the 45X scope, so to protect this outstanding group, I changed my aim point to the top of the 1-inch diamond that was about 2-inches above my initial aim point. I shot the remainder of the 25-round load near that aim point and the groups gradually lowered as the barrel heated up.

The next three groups measured 0.193, 0.232 and 0.233. Those remaining groups were just a bit larger than my average group size with this barrel for this bullet and powder. I think I may have been trying too hard to shoot another incredible group and may have let that distract me.

By the time I was finished with this load, the barrel temperature was over 126 degrees F. measured on the temp strip that I mount on all my target barrels. The strip is not calibrated and shows the temperature of the outside of the barrel not the bore, but it has always been a very consistent indicator. The temperature showing on the strip after the first group was only 85 degrees F. Normally, this barrel drops the POI by about 0.2 inches when the barrel temp gets up to 105-108 degrees.

With this barrel, even with my ‘82-year-old shooter induced variations’ that come primarily from waning concentration during each session, 128 (28.1%) of my 5-round groups at 100 yards since April 2025 are still under .200 inches. That said, I have only shot three groups that were under 0.100 (0.7%) out of a total of 456 groups with this new barrel. The other two measured 0.094 and 0.098.

This one group (0.021) was a truly extremely rare occurrence. I doubt I will ever shoot another one like it.
 
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I admit that a group that small is a "once in a lifetime" event.
It also took about 14,000 5-round groups to accomplish.

Interesting that you had the best results with RMR 69s.
RMR 69s are the least accurate 69 gr bullets in two of my .223 barrels.
In my new Shilen barrel, they are the worst performers of all bullet weights - 0.044 worse than the overall average (0.216) of 456 groups.

Given that RMR 69 gr bullets are good but not great, you should be seeing even better results if you tried bullets that better suit your barrel.
What twist is your .223?
I have had great results with 73 Berger BTTs (or LBTs depending on where you look) in two different .223 barrels - a 1:9 and a 1:7 twist but that was with Varget. Varget seems to perform better for me than most other powders with bullets heavier than 60 grains.
 
That's an amazing group! Quite an encouragement for the potential of these actions mated to a quality barrel, proper handloads tuned to the rifle, and attention to relevant details regarding form and fundamentals during execution.

It's nice to see that investing time and energy into mastering the platform is not wasted.

Reminds me of the Bruce Lee quote:
“I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.”
 
Congrats CF! I can only hope to produce such a group as yours.

My all time best was a 10 shot group during a CBA match, 9 into .671" last one opened group to .882".
And, I should add, that was with my 6.5CM shooting Lyman 266469 cast bullets (#2 alloy). ;)

 
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Great shooting!

One of my best groups was shooting my Winchester model 70 Safari Express chambered in 375 H&H magnum, getting ready for a Nyala and Bushbuck hunt in South Africa.

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235gr bullet at 3100fps?
Dat’s a de Spicy Meat-a-Ball!
 
Good shooting with a caliber with significant recoil.
I have a lot of trouble shooting accurately with large caliber rifles.
My .308s average is almost 1.5x larger than my .223.
I'm not sure I could even handle a .375 H&H.
 
Good shooting with a caliber with significant recoil.
I have a lot of trouble shooting accurately with large caliber rifles.
My .308s average is almost 1.5x larger than my .223.
I'm not sure I could even handle a .375 H&H.
Yeah, that’s what I was saying. One stout load for sure! Can’t imagine it being all that fun.

Reminds me of some years back on Sav.Shooters: quite a few threads in a row of members doing 110’s with RUM cartridges. I’d bet 3 of 5 shooters who get a RUM, end up regretting it. The 300 RUM has some factory loads that are 220gr at just over 2900fps. Fjold is loading a 235gr pill at 3100fps! That’s just murderous!

No, I’m very comfortable with my 260AI that’l do 140gr+ at 2950fps.😁
 
Good shooting with a caliber with significant recoil.
I have a lot of trouble shooting accurately with large caliber rifles.
My .308s average is almost 1.5x larger than my .223.
I'm not sure I could even handle a .375 H&H.
Believe the .375 aren't really that bad at all and they all shoot crazy tiny groups. They are more of a push than a hard jolt and with a break they would be less than a.308. The hard kicking ones are the .338's & the .340 Weatherby's'. They come up before they go back and really kick you hard in the face. They are business guns not guns you shoot for fun.
 
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Believe the .375 aren't really that bad at all and they all shoot crazy tiny groups. They are more of a push than a hard jolt and with a break they would be less than a.308. The hard kicking ones are the .338's & the .340 Weatherby's'. They come up before they go back and really kick you hard in the face. They are business guns not guns you shoot for fun.

Do you mean like the 375 H&H? Well of course they have less recoil. Remember what power is? Speed x Weight. Versus what? A 338 RUM? 338 Lapua? Well yes, of course they are more punishing in terms of recoil. They both also have CONSIDERABLE target range over the 375 H&H. However, if you were step up to say a 375 Cheytac, or 375 Enabler, I assure you, your shoulder would be crying in dismay after just a a couple rounds!

And those big caliber Magnums, with round nose bullets at 2500fps, are not even close to the most accurate. No professional would agree they are. And no professional shooters or records are held by them. Seriously.. go try out a 375 or 416 Cheytac and tell me if you think any 338 is worse?
 
Right between the wings, probably, Fjold. Nice shot.

They never light long enough on my targets to waste a round shooting at flies.
Then again, I get so focused on trying to put bullets in the same hole, that I probably don't notice them on my targets anyway.
 
I admit that a group that small is a "once in a lifetime" event.
It also took about 14,000 5-round groups to accomplish.

Interesting that you had the best results with RMR 69s.
RMR 69s are the least accurate 69 gr bullets in two of my .223 barrels.
In my new Shilen barrel, they are the worst performers of all bullet weights - 0.044 worse than the overall average (0.216) of 456 groups.

Given that RMR 69 gr bullets are good but not great, you should be seeing even better results if you tried bullets that better suit your barrel.
What twist is your .223?
I have had great results with 73 Berger BTTs (or LBTs depending on where you look) in two different .223 barrels - a 1:9 and a 1:7 twist but that was with Varget. Varget seems to perform better for me than most other powders with bullets heavier than 60 grains.
Yea, I bought a couple hundred of the RMR 69s and couldn't get them to shoot either. 1/2 " to 3/4" " occasionally, but usually 3/4 to 1" normally across several powders, primers, etc. Actually, my9 twist 223 likes 50 gn blitzkings better than anything else Ive put through it.
 
Good friend has a very nice 375 H&H that is easier on the shoulder than my 338WM.
I agree 100% the .338's are the worst of the bunch. Even with a break they are uncomfortable to shoot. They are business guns. Made to hunt with.
 
I agree 100% the .338's are the worst of the bunch. Even with a break they are uncomfortable to shoot. They are business guns. Made to hunt with.
I have an ancient Styer M95 in 8x56R that kicks harder than anything Ive shot to date. LOL
 
I agree 100% the .338's are the worst of the bunch. Even with a break they are uncomfortable to shoot. They are business guns. Made to hunt with.
Sure don't target shoot with mine, it does not have a brake. When I was still hunting game where 338WM was appropriate it was 2 rds to confirm zero, then nothing until hunt was over. Clean, put away, and repeat following season. The only time I spent with it at the bench was for load development.
 
Sure don't target shoot with mine, it does not have a brake. When I was still hunting game where 338WM was appropriate it was 2 rds to confirm zero, then nothing until hunt was over. Clean, put away, and repeat following season. The only time I spent with it at the bench was for load development.

Right on. Magnums are no fun for leisure shooting. Short Action high power cartridges are the ticket!😉
 

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